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The fascinating journey of the Roma

From Santosh On 15 July 2009 View Comments

The Roma Gypsies may very well turn out to be the first Indian immigrants to the West.

And what a journey it has been.

Historians agree that the Roma’s origins lie in north-west India and that their journey towards Europe started between the 3rd and 7th Centuries AD – a massive migration prompted by timeless reasons: conflicts, instability and the seeking of a better life in big cities such as Tehran, Baghdad and, later on, Constantinople.

Consisting of largely manual laborers and entertainers, they moved to the Middle East and from there to Europe. Apparently even the language they speak to this day has traces of Sanskrit in it.

However, aside from their nifty origins and migration patterns, their history has been one of persecution. Even as India was mired in its own social issues, namely the caste system, the Roma with their customs and rituals derived from Hinduism were subject to similar treatment in the lands they adopted.

Maybe because they were carrying customs and memories connected to their Hindu gods, the Roma were regarded as heathens in Byzantium and were assimilated into a heretic sect: “the Untouchables” or Atsingani. This designation is the root of the words used for “Gypsy” in most European languages, such as the French “Tzigane” and the German “Zigeuner”.

During the Renaissance Era as Europe experienced a cultural awakening, the Roma experienced their first genocide in Europe. This persecution continued over the centuries and culminated in the Holocaust during World War II.

The persecutions culminated in the Holocaust, or Porajmos – “the Devouring” – as it is called in Romany. The Roma found themselves among the first victims of Nazi policies. They were sent to die in the gas vans of Chelmno, and were subjected to gruesome experiments in the extermination camps. Up to 500,000 Roma are believed to have been killed under fascist rule.

And so, it goes on to this day, albeit in a milder form.

Decades of communism and the recent admission of Eastern countries into the EU seem to have made little difference to their history of exclusion and poverty. Most Roma families live in small shacks with no electricity or running water, and international institutions calculate that Roma poverty rates are up to 10 times higher than those of the majority population where they live, while their lifespan is 10 or 15 years lower.

The Roma seem to have retained some of their Indian origins, in terms of the language they speak which supposedly is similar to Sanskrit. The BBC article compares the Roma to the Banjaras of Rajasthan and surrounding areas. Comparing the traditional costumes, it appears that the costumes of Roma women (left below) are closer to traditional Kashmiri women (right below) than Banjaras (center below). [BBC] (tip Sandeep via email)

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  • Sraddha,
    Thanks for the video. Some awesome music there.

    Sunil,
    Tea was always grown in certain areas of India. It became more mainstream after the British made it more of a snacktime drink.

    Lateef,
    Appreciate it.

    Khalil,
    Great find. You are right. It is the devnagiri script.

    Global Desi,
    It's pretty sad that the wall still exists in this day and age. But it goes back to what the article stated they've always been persecuted and it continues to this day.
  • Global Desi
    sorry - the wall was never torn down. Looks like I mixed my facts. Just verified. The constructuction of teh wall was approved by the city council of Usti Nad Labem.
  • Global Desi
    During a visit to Czech/Slovakia in the fall of '99, I and my clients would talk about all these "indian roots" and other behavioural patterns during social gatherings and then, I think in September, in Prague a comminuty had built a wall to arrest the Roma movement. It was a big issue and finally the wall was torn down. But rest of the happenings are all similar. The locals referencing to Indians as gypsies too was not uncommon. Over and above this, we would be asked to present "documents" any time a "Policie(a)" spotted us.
  • Their Romany langaugeseems to use the Devanagari script.

    http://rmy.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sherutni_patrin_-...
  • Awesome post - thanks for the quality.
  • About Chai and Chao, didn't tea arrive quite recently in India, probably with British and that there is no mention of tea in India during Mughal period?

    In Bologna (Italy) where I live, close by we have certain Roma families. Normally, second and third generations of original emigrants growing up in a place tend to assume the dress, language, social behaviour of hosting countries/communities, and this helps in integration and socio-econonomic advancement. But that doesn't seem to happen with Roma (they are called Rom or Zingari in Italy) people and I don't know why. Even among families who live in proper apartments near to us, the situation is terrible - for ex. young children often don't go to school, go around in pitiable conditions in freezing winters, young girls not yet twenty, may have lot of small children.

    While stories of genocide and discrimination do affect at rational level, but in daily interaction, I feel ashamed to admit that their strong smell, dirty clothes, loud way of speaking, heavy dose of abuses, etc. can be sometimes very intimidating, and sometimes I do change the side of the street to avoid passing too close to one of them and that such feelings may be very stigmatizing towards them.

    Compared to them, the recent emigrants from Bangladesh or Morocco, seem to integrate much better and get more opportunities for socioeconomic advancement. I wish to understand better but don't really know how.
  • Here's the link to the trailer to the fascinating movie Gypsy Caravan.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7lIMu2QMLtQ
  • I watched a movie couple of years back called Gypsy Caravan. I enjoyed it so much, I actually watched it twice. That movie too traces the roots of some gypsies to India.
    http://www.redvicmoviehouse.com/show.php?pageid...
  • Now I sound like “Everything is Indian” Uncle ( or Aunty!)

    Runa,
    You're ok. That is the number 1 requirements needed to post on this blog :-)

    Sheetal,
    That is interesting. I wonder if the alienation of the Roma stems from mistrust of others from centuries of being persecuted or is it the other way round?
  • sheetal
    i'm a student in romania, and this country is full of gypsies - tigans, they are called in romanian. they look distinctly indian - i'd say kashmiri, based on their skin tones and the clothes they wear. they are a distinctly stubborn people...they cling on to their traditions with a surprising fierceness. many of them are now quite well-off and drive cars and shop in expensive stores, but they still wear the fluorescent spangly skirts and scarves no matter where they go. from what i've heard from my lecturers, they are a very close-knit community. girls are protected fiercely and are married off as young as at age 13. most of the gypsies still live in poverty - begging, theft, simple crafts...that's how they survive, and sadly, that's how they bring up each successive generation. children are rarely sent to school; most of them are brought up to carry on the begging-stealing tradition...little children are sent to beg at a very young age, with the parents monitoring their progress. and yes, their language is very similar to sanskrit; a senior of mine recalls meeting a gypsy patient once while on call who kept on asking her for a glass of 'doodh'. i would love to get to know more about the tigans, but there is a stigma surrounding them...stories that they can perform black magic, can bewitch you through their eyes, and more practically, can swindle you in the blink of an eye (which they do)...that prevents me from getting to know any gypsies personally. many of them are shelterless glue-sniffers who live on the sidewalks in groups. here's hoping they progress in the right direction, without losing the extreme uniqueness of their peoples.
  • Runa
    in terms of the language they speak which supposedly is similar to Sanskrit.


    Evidently from what I remember reading some where, the first fthree numbers in Romany are: Yeck dui, Tren - like Ek , DO , teen.
    Also the Romany word for tea is "chao"- ( Hindi : "chai")
    "ba -ra" is "B ig" ( like "bada" in Hindi) etc

    Now I sound like "Everything is Indian" Uncle ( or Aunty!)
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