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		<title>By: Runa</title>
		<link>http://uberdesi.com/blog/2009/08/20/racially-profiled/comment-page-1/#comment-5390</link>
		<dc:creator>Runa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Aug 2009 16:52:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While I am NOT for adding fuel to the fire and would add a disclaimer that all of these are allegations based on perception, see this article on routine racial profiling:
http://outlookindia.com/article.aspx?261448</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While I am NOT for adding fuel to the fire and would add a disclaimer that all of these are allegations based on perception, see this article on routine racial profiling:<br />
<a href="http://outlookindia.com/article.aspx?261448" rel="nofollow">http://outlookindia.com/article.aspx?261448</a></p>
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		<title>By: gauri</title>
		<link>http://uberdesi.com/blog/2009/08/20/racially-profiled/comment-page-1/#comment-5373</link>
		<dc:creator>gauri</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Aug 2009 16:47:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Glad you published this. I wonder how many more have been at the receiving end of such hatred; their stories unheard. Excellent work, Sidhu!

I understand the professor will be taking some action. Do keep us posted.

g</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Glad you published this. I wonder how many more have been at the receiving end of such hatred; their stories unheard. Excellent work, Sidhu!</p>
<p>I understand the professor will be taking some action. Do keep us posted.</p>
<p>g</p>
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		<title>By: Phouc Shim</title>
		<link>http://uberdesi.com/blog/2009/08/20/racially-profiled/comment-page-1/#comment-5372</link>
		<dc:creator>Phouc Shim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Aug 2009 05:43:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let me guess Yves Auteuil - you&#039;re clearly not a person of color. I&#039;m deeply skeptical of your skepticism. Since you&#039;re such a media guru, perhaps you can send us the contact lists of editors/producers at major newspapers/TV Stations that we can use to contact in case we ever end up in similar situation. Guess what - what makes Professor&#039;s account so terrible is that it is commonplace - it happens every day! You think that the racially profiled first generation Indian taxi cab driver is going to throw a news conference to discuss what happened to him. You think the mass of blacks who are arrested for charges like loitering or open container or going to attract media attention, even with the Gates&#039; thing?

What country do you live in? And how do you presume Professor is not taking legal action now. And even if everything he says is true, how do we know he would be found innocent? Driving without a suspended license, which is what happens to you if you don&#039;t pay a ticket is fairly serious. It is aggravated unlicensed operation of a motor vehicle BUT almost all of time you would be issued a desk summons to take care of it. You would almost never be put in jail for it BUT again the cops do probably reserve that right. 

As for your statistic about race in NYC - how idiotic! What percentage of people who live in NYC do you think are white as opposed to minority? Why don&#039;t you read this book and then come back to us with what you think: 

http://www.amazon.com/Racial-Disparities-Criminal-Justice-Corporation/dp/0833005065

Your skepticism is just the kind of thing that makes nothing change in this country and yes, I&#039;m sure that if Professor was trying to &quot;cash in&quot; the first thing he&#039;d do is post on some Desi blog. Sometimes I can&#039;t believe I share the planet with such people. 

Gaurav, same goes for you - you should know better. There&#039;s tons of reason why someone might not come forward right away including family shame, etc. And then again, we don&#039;t know what the Professor did or did not do, or is and is not doing. I&#039;m glad he was courageous enough to write about his experiences. 

I&#039;m a resident of NYC and have always had trouble with the cops. So I trust my own experience which validates Professor&#039;s piece much more than what you say. 

Phouc</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let me guess Yves Auteuil &#8211; you&#8217;re clearly not a person of color. I&#8217;m deeply skeptical of your skepticism. Since you&#8217;re such a media guru, perhaps you can send us the contact lists of editors/producers at major newspapers/TV Stations that we can use to contact in case we ever end up in similar situation. Guess what &#8211; what makes Professor&#8217;s account so terrible is that it is commonplace &#8211; it happens every day! You think that the racially profiled first generation Indian taxi cab driver is going to throw a news conference to discuss what happened to him. You think the mass of blacks who are arrested for charges like loitering or open container or going to attract media attention, even with the Gates&#8217; thing?</p>
<p>What country do you live in? And how do you presume Professor is not taking legal action now. And even if everything he says is true, how do we know he would be found innocent? Driving without a suspended license, which is what happens to you if you don&#8217;t pay a ticket is fairly serious. It is aggravated unlicensed operation of a motor vehicle BUT almost all of time you would be issued a desk summons to take care of it. You would almost never be put in jail for it BUT again the cops do probably reserve that right. </p>
<p>As for your statistic about race in NYC &#8211; how idiotic! What percentage of people who live in NYC do you think are white as opposed to minority? Why don&#8217;t you read this book and then come back to us with what you think: </p>
<p><a href="http://www.amazon.com/Racial-Disparities-Criminal-Justice-Corporation/dp/0833005065" rel="nofollow">http://www.amazon.com/Racial-D.....0833005065</a></p>
<p>Your skepticism is just the kind of thing that makes nothing change in this country and yes, I&#8217;m sure that if Professor was trying to &#8220;cash in&#8221; the first thing he&#8217;d do is post on some Desi blog. Sometimes I can&#8217;t believe I share the planet with such people. </p>
<p>Gaurav, same goes for you &#8211; you should know better. There&#8217;s tons of reason why someone might not come forward right away including family shame, etc. And then again, we don&#8217;t know what the Professor did or did not do, or is and is not doing. I&#8217;m glad he was courageous enough to write about his experiences. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m a resident of NYC and have always had trouble with the cops. So I trust my own experience which validates Professor&#8217;s piece much more than what you say. </p>
<p>Phouc</p>
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		<title>By: Sidhu</title>
		<link>http://uberdesi.com/blog/2009/08/20/racially-profiled/comment-page-1/#comment-5368</link>
		<dc:creator>Sidhu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Aug 2009 12:03:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gaurav,

If you say Mid-day or even TOI are not reputable - they have carried junk and fake news before, so I might agree. Rediff is probably the most reputed source for Indian news, and I do not have answers for your questions at this point, I only hope we can all get the answers in near future.

tgfi,
At no point did I use any quotes from any article directly, or aim to pass off other&#039;s work as mine. So no clue how &#039;basic blogging ethics are lacking&#039;. Isn&#039;t that the only intended rule for ethics? No plagiarism? 
Or should I be more concerned about the &#039;rule book&#039; of attribution and loose focus on the bigger goal?
This is the ORIGINAL interview from Prof. Ravi Shankar through our correspondence with him by e-mail. ...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gaurav,</p>
<p>If you say Mid-day or even TOI are not reputable &#8211; they have carried junk and fake news before, so I might agree. Rediff is probably the most reputed source for Indian news, and I do not have answers for your questions at this point, I only hope we can all get the answers in near future.</p>
<p>tgfi,<br />
At no point did I use any quotes from any article directly, or aim to pass off other&#8217;s work as mine. So no clue how &#8216;basic blogging ethics are lacking&#8217;. Isn&#8217;t that the only intended rule for ethics? No plagiarism?<br />
Or should I be more concerned about the &#8216;rule book&#8217; of attribution and loose focus on the bigger goal?<br />
This is the ORIGINAL interview from Prof. Ravi Shankar through our correspondence with him by e-mail. &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Santosh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Santosh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Aug 2009 11:22:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>tgfi,
not sure about cool justice but the &quot;coverage&quot; in the courant was a guest article by the victim himself. No major news org has picked up the story.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>tgfi,<br />
not sure about cool justice but the &#8220;coverage&#8221; in the courant was a guest article by the victim himself. No major news org has picked up the story.</p>
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		<title>By: tgfi</title>
		<link>http://uberdesi.com/blog/2009/08/20/racially-profiled/comment-page-1/#comment-5365</link>
		<dc:creator>tgfi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Aug 2009 05:27:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sidhu,
You say &quot;it’s also quite disturbing to see no media focus&quot; but actually do not bother telling us that the article first appeared in rediff, which is your source. (Attributing to the source outright is not the same as slipping it into the comments)

Morever, If you read the rediff article , it says that the same appeared earlier in 2 other places  &quot;The article was earlier published in Cool Justice and Hartford Courant.&quot;

Some basic blogging ethics lacking here..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sidhu,<br />
You say &#8220;it’s also quite disturbing to see no media focus&#8221; but actually do not bother telling us that the article first appeared in rediff, which is your source. (Attributing to the source outright is not the same as slipping it into the comments)</p>
<p>Morever, If you read the rediff article , it says that the same appeared earlier in 2 other places  &#8220;The article was earlier published in Cool Justice and Hartford Courant.&#8221;</p>
<p>Some basic blogging ethics lacking here..</p>
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		<title>By: Gaurav Kapur</title>
		<link>http://uberdesi.com/blog/2009/08/20/racially-profiled/comment-page-1/#comment-5364</link>
		<dc:creator>Gaurav Kapur</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Aug 2009 03:08:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Something is definitely fishy here.  I read this article in rediff which frankly speaking is not the best place to get authentic news.  This incident happened on July 10th and it took the Prof 22 days to first write a letter anywhere?  Why didnt everyone hear of it on July 13th?  Was the proffesor so emotionally scarred?  Why didnt he sue immediately or raise hell immediately?  Ok, maybe he wanted to get back to his family asap but why didnt we see this letter on the 15th July, 16th July?

Why are only blogs carrying this article so far?  After 20th July (Gates arrest), any paper would have lapped this news up - definitely atleast the local Connecticut newspaper.

As of 2nd Aug, 22 days after this, why hasnt he still filed a complaint?  Why hasnt he sued?  Anyone in their right minds would sue and win a large settlement from the city of NYC - if they had a good case.  

If this is really true, we definitely need to send this to newspapers and let the news channels get a whiff of it - but it may be a little too late to be screaming wolf.  

NY police is completely insensitive from decades of dealing with scum and hence would treat most people under suspicion roughly.  But at the same time, I have driven a car, a van and a U-Haul truck across NYC innumerable times and never been harassed by anyone except Desi taxi drivers who drive like they&#039;re in Meerut.  I hope Prof Shankar has atleast remembered the names of the policemen who called him a &#039;sand-nigger&#039;.  They&#039;ll obviously deny it but it&#039;ll make one heck of a story.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Something is definitely fishy here.  I read this article in rediff which frankly speaking is not the best place to get authentic news.  This incident happened on July 10th and it took the Prof 22 days to first write a letter anywhere?  Why didnt everyone hear of it on July 13th?  Was the proffesor so emotionally scarred?  Why didnt he sue immediately or raise hell immediately?  Ok, maybe he wanted to get back to his family asap but why didnt we see this letter on the 15th July, 16th July?</p>
<p>Why are only blogs carrying this article so far?  After 20th July (Gates arrest), any paper would have lapped this news up &#8211; definitely atleast the local Connecticut newspaper.</p>
<p>As of 2nd Aug, 22 days after this, why hasnt he still filed a complaint?  Why hasnt he sued?  Anyone in their right minds would sue and win a large settlement from the city of NYC &#8211; if they had a good case.  </p>
<p>If this is really true, we definitely need to send this to newspapers and let the news channels get a whiff of it &#8211; but it may be a little too late to be screaming wolf.  </p>
<p>NY police is completely insensitive from decades of dealing with scum and hence would treat most people under suspicion roughly.  But at the same time, I have driven a car, a van and a U-Haul truck across NYC innumerable times and never been harassed by anyone except Desi taxi drivers who drive like they&#8217;re in Meerut.  I hope Prof Shankar has atleast remembered the names of the policemen who called him a &#8217;sand-nigger&#8217;.  They&#8217;ll obviously deny it but it&#8217;ll make one heck of a story.</p>
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		<description>[...] Racially profiled &#124; Über Desi  uberdesi.com/blog/2009/08/20/racially-profiled &#8211; view page &#8211; cached  Prof. Ravi Shankar is a published poet, and a faculty member at the Central Connecticut State University. On July 10th this year, he was arrested on false &#8212; From the page [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Sidhu</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sidhu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Aug 2009 02:26:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yves,

I got the article from this site - http://news.rediff.com/report/2009/aug/19/indian-professor-ravi-shankar-arrested-in-us.htm and then Googled the prof&#039;s name to send our questions. I think there are some answers within the interview to your questions - the incident happened on July 10th, a week before Prof. Gates. The media could have possibly ignored his story - there&#039;s at least a benefit of doubt unless proven otherwise. And Prof. Ravi Shankar does mention that he should have called an attorney before but was going through the situation first time ever, so maybe he didn&#039;t all the right things he ought to have done. Anyways, your skeptical view is a point for healthy debate, and I&#039;m sure we will know the answers sooner than later. We will keep track of any developments and keep the post up to date.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yves,</p>
<p>I got the article from this site &#8211; <a href="http://news.rediff.com/report/2009/aug/19/indian-professor-ravi-shankar-arrested-in-us.htm" rel="nofollow">http://news.rediff.com/report/.....-in-us.htm</a> and then Googled the prof&#8217;s name to send our questions. I think there are some answers within the interview to your questions &#8211; the incident happened on July 10th, a week before Prof. Gates. The media could have possibly ignored his story &#8211; there&#8217;s at least a benefit of doubt unless proven otherwise. And Prof. Ravi Shankar does mention that he should have called an attorney before but was going through the situation first time ever, so maybe he didn&#8217;t all the right things he ought to have done. Anyways, your skeptical view is a point for healthy debate, and I&#8217;m sure we will know the answers sooner than later. We will keep track of any developments and keep the post up to date.</p>
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		<title>By: surya</title>
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		<dc:creator>surya</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Aug 2009 02:12:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good article Sidhu</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good article Sidhu</p>
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