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Stuff Mag – inebriated Ganesha and humping Hanuman: Is this offensive? (2 Updates)

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Did Stuff magazine cross the line or are they just plain obtuse?
img: via Ox House Camel Door
(tip Karthik via email and UberTipster via Tipster)

To me, these images make zero sense. The yoga pose, shows a goddess with dark skin. Is this Laxmi, the goddess of cash-munney a.k.a bling bling, since she’s sitting on a Lotus? To me looks like a mix between her hubby, Vishnu, and Mola Ram’s Kali.

The second figure is Ganesha with enough alcohol for a party of desi graduate students. Starting with the upper left going anti-clockwise, tequila shots, draft beer, whiskey (on the rocks??), something in a beaker (ethanol perhaps or maybe Irish Cream?), martini (shaken but not stirred) and wine (aged thousands of years). Now showing a Hindu god consuming alcohol may be offensive to some but Hindu mythology always talks about gods consuming soma before getting it on with the apsaras. It should be pointed out that Ganesha, being the lord of wisdom, would be aware of the old adage “Beer and whiskey, very risky” and hence, would never mix drinks.

The third one is the most senseless image of all and, probably, the one that most people may find most offensive. It depicts Anjaneya, getting it on with a Hindu woman. Remember the dot on the forehead, must be a Hindu woman, right? Of course, this makes no sense because anyone who knows anything about Hanuman, knows he is celibate, even though he purportedly has a son. India being the land of Kamasutra and all, no stereotypical image of India is complete in the Western media, without an ancient picture depicting some act of Kama (not to be confused with Karma, unless you draw cartoons for Stuff). Some research on the topic at hand would’ve revealed that perhaps a playa like Krishna would be more in line for this context. Not that I’m suggesting they do that, but if you’re going to offend people, at least be accurate so you dont end up looking like an ignoramus.

Snehal at Ox House Camel Door writes a scathing letter to the editor. I personally thought this footnote was hilarious.

PS: For the record, Ganesh is supposed to have four arms instead of six, and Hanuman should look more like a monkey and less like the Grinch.

While this will most likely draw the ire of Hindu extremists, and may result in the destruction of a few book stores, Internet cafes and McDs in India, the biggest problem I see with this incident, is that a bunch of frat boys (stereotyping is a two-way street) abused their freedom of expression to have a few cheap laughs at the expense of a religious minority in America.

Regarding Stuff magazine (sorry, no link love), I have to confess that I used to read that crap when I was in college, mostly for their coverage of cars (and women). I knew there was a reason I stopped – the content became increasingly mind-numbingly dumb and intellectually insulting. Thanks, Stuff, for reinforcing that my decision to stop reading your crap was the correct one.

Update:

Rati and Kama DevaYahoo has picked up this story (tip: Snehal). Since we’re on the topic of pictures and statues of Hindu gods in sexual positions, here’s one I came (pardon the pun) across yesterday. Depicted in this picture circled in red is not one but two statues of Kamadeva and his consort Rati, in a ….. ummm….. compromising position. Here’s one more image of the two of them shagging each other rotten. The Hanuman in the picture is just coincidental.

The editor of Stuff Magazine deserves a kick on his kundi for not displaying the correct god. My man, Hanuman, would never do that. Krishna and Kamadeva on the other hand – time for the editor to hide his wife.

Update:

This has been reported in multiple media outlets.
DNAIndia.com reports “Gods depicted in controversial manner in US”. Yup, this was a governmental conspiracy against Hindus.
AndhraCafe.com says “Ganesha has beer while Hanuman poses obscene”.
TOI and IndiaWest also expound on this issue.

Some stories have mentioned blogger Snehal.

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  • @ santhosh - well... Let the Greys rule! :D and yeah - nothing can be pristine white or pitch black - everything is relative.

    @Sakshi - lol (aishoo! I'll get thrown out for saying the unsayable :D)

    @Snehalbhai - My question, after all the 3 page ranting there is this - why are you offended?
    I truly believe you really believe and have faith in the Gods depicted there. Why are you offended?
    This is too tiny to be offended about. - well thats my view though.
    And no, I wasnt criticising you - I was asking you this question -"how does it really affect you? why are you offended?"
    My long winded oratory seems to have missed this tiny point up there :D

  • Arpz,

    I've said my objection is on cultural and intellectual grounds, not religious.

    Yes Hindus gods did it (supposedly not Hanuman but most others) just as did Moses, and Abraham, and David, etc. I have the freedom to show Abraham banging Sarah, but I'd be smart enough to expect angry letters. That's all. If, for some stupid reason, I did draw Abraham and Sarah getting it on, and someone pointed out to me, that's kind of f--cked up, I'd say, "Oops, my bad." Stuff didn't have the decency to do that much.

    The mag has the freedom to print whatever. We have the freedom to criticize it, just as you have the freedom to criticize me.

  • Arpz- che che.. the gods just willed that let there be a baby.. no one was doing anything hankypanky ;)

  • Arpz,
    Are you saying everything is not black or white? Imagine that :-P

  • whew! all this makes me laugh.
    You have one depiction and you have N comments.

    The Fanatic view - Its all wrong! you cannot portray OUR gods this way ! Go Portray Maddona or Allah for all I care , but not Ganesha and Hanuman.

    The Liberalistic View - WTF has it got to do with my life and job anyways, quit squabbling you jobless ppl!

    The "Im Okay" View - dude, its his representation, his magazine and his set of readers, why the hell are you so annoyed about. Watever happened to creative freedom?

    My view - I guess being a close contender to China in population does speak SOMEthing about our sexual habits. Shed the hypocrisy - we have have (err... how many) close to 30 crore Gods and accept X God is Y God's son - how on earth did they appear if it wasnt for err ... doing IT?
    As for derogatory pictures, I think Dignity and Pride is inbuilt within you - if you are really proud about who you are and what you stand for - no painting can shatter that, and if it did - dude, you better do some introspection before you cry yourself hoarse to the outside world.
    As for communism - I dont really see a link - except that most communists were atheists - thats a really long winded way to base your arguement on who is what ( pls correct me if Im wrong)

    And I really think - if anyone wants to debate on issues, puhlease, we have poverty, unemployment and corrupt politics. Some amount of constructive criticsm can be used there, instead of leveling it against publishers of magazines.
    @people like NRI and Snehalbhai - I wld request you to go back and read our puranas, there are N references to the kind of err... Acts that the 'Gods' did.
    And so what if they did drink and have sex? How does it really affect you? If you really believe in Ganesha , hanuman and Vishnu, these silly pictures should be like a speck of dust - shouldnt enrage you at all!
    *whew I seem to have left a post instead of a comment*

  • Tamil

    I really don't understand the sexual prudishness while half the country worships a giant black phallus.

  • Tamil

    I really admire NRI Techie's decision's patriotism to move to America/abroad to extend 'his cultural learnings to make benefit glorious nation of Hindustan' and to provide valuable advice to India while earning mucho dollars and eating thayir sadam.

  • Only 10% of the sculptures are sexual.

    Exactly. My comments were directed only at NRITechie who famously said, anybody who disagrees with him is a communist or a atheist.

    So according to him, it's either black or white and there is no in-between. My object was to inform him that, even in Hinduism, there is SOME depiction of the various acts that we these days confine to areas behind the closed door.

    And Khajuraho is not the only temple in India, so the depiction in sculptures is much lesser than the 10 percent that you use.

    And as Sakshi said, it is ok to take umbrage at these things, but if you (i use "you" in a general sense) don't know what to say, it is better to keep quiet rather than saying things like "let them try it with other religions and see how they react". It just points to a superiority complex that some people have vis a vis their "religion", i.e. the whole "my god is better than your god" or "my god is bigger than yours" complex. And I can only laugh at such people.

    Essentially, Hinduism is not shy about sex, but it doesn’t worship sex.

    Correct me if I wrong, but one of the (many?) interpretations of the Shivalinga is that it depicts a coital scene between the Supreme Male and the Supreme Feminine.

    goes back to watching Police Academy 6 on Comedy Central and waits to see the inevitable "Oh, you are a pervert!" comment from the ever so forthcoming with his judgements, NRITechie.

  • @Nri and snehalbhai -So who decides? Everything is morally repugnant to somebody in this world. So is it majority who wins? And I respect the people who protesting this, but sadly most of this protest has been tinged with "try this some other religion". Why is that? If you say there is to be moral responsibility, why is not accorded to all religions?

    @Snehal bhai- Why should the editor be sorry about what he published? Becuase he hurt a few? But it is his magazine and his call..You are free not to buy what he prints or protest. So I don't see what the fuss is about.

    And NRI- You have made a judgment on MFH based on few of his paintings and we had this arguement earlier. I dont think he is a pervert. He is a gifted artist in not only India, but the world.

  • The editors have since responded and have been completely unapologetic.

    Yahoo picked up the story:

    http://in.news.yahoo.com/070608/43/6gsd0.html

    Freedom of speech aside, this is just a bad way to run a magazine.

  • Anantha,

    The temples at Khajuraho are great. The sculptures depict everyday life. Only 10% of the sculptures are sexual. And those sculptures are on the outside, nowhere near the holy shrine inside. Essentially, Hinduism is not shy about sex, but it doesn't worship sex.

    Sakshi,

    I agree. Freedom of speech is very important. But this complaint (as expressed on my blog at least) is about cultural respect, clearly lacking on Stuff's behalf. They are free to say what they want, but we are free to criticize it.

    Also, freedom of speech only liberates writers/artists from governmental censorship. We are still subject to editorial censorship. What I mean is that editors don't print everything that comes their way. They have to pick and choose. I am only saying that this editor chose unwisely and should be held accountable. He should at least apologize.

    Freedom of speech doesn't absolve him from that.

  • NRITechie

    Sakshi..I respect freedom of speech. But in the name of freedom of press/expression one should not hurt sentiments of religious people. And one has right to defend himself/herself when someone hurts his/her religious sentiments in a peaceful way.That is democracy.
    No excuse for MF. He is pervert...I'm not sure why fools are buying his expensive nude art !

  • Ok. My two cents worth being in academics -
    NRItechie - I was accused of being liberal but have yet to meet that many 'commie' teachers/profs here.

    And I do support MFH. Just like I did the Danish newspapers. Freedom of speech is the most important thing to protect, something you just dont get.

  • Miller Lite is for sissies. As for going to a temple, I thought he/she/it/they is/are omnipotent. So happiness is right here .... at home.

  • So NriTechie, mere bhai. I am ignorant, yes. And I am a supporter of nakedness everywhere. I learnt my lessons on the virtues of nakedness from the temples at Khajuraho. The day I see them with my own eyes, my life's purpose shall be met.

  • NRITechie

    Santosh...No one will entertain anyone. Happiness is just state of mind. You can grab miller lite from 7/11 or goto temple and get happiness.

  • Guys, try not to get too personal. There are ways we can discuss things without getting personal.

    NRITechie, I do not think it is right for anyone (including you) to make allegations when you personally do not know people.

    I would appreciate it if you refrain from this. Thank you.

  • NRITechie

    Oh..ye. Dear Mr.Anantha....I don't want any 2 cents advices. You as a Hindu should grow up first ! As long as people like you (who are too ignorant in respecting their own country/culture) are there no way that people will stop laughing about India. I'm sure you too are supporter of naked pervert artist MF.
    Jai Bharat Mata! Vande Mataram! Jai Hind!

  • NRITechie,
    So everything wrong with India is Ashu's fault? Whatever happened to you taking personal responsiblity and fixing what you think is wrong a.k.a performing your dharma?
    What are you doing for India and Hindus besides typing crap online? Please entertain ... I mean ... enlighten us.

  • NRITechie: Funny, cos that's exactly you told me too.

    Because of people like you Hindus are insecure in their own country.

    But it's because of you that the whole world is laughing at India.

    *sigh* He never grows up, does he!

  • NRITechie

    No point in argument with you Ashu. Because of people like you Hindus are insecure in their own country. Because people like you (communist minded/nastiks) will never contribute a penny to country or society and if something happens in Pakistan you shed tears but if something happens in India you guys will ignore it. Go and support MF Hussian for his nude art of hindu godesses...Also looks like you wasted office hours by writing comments in the blog...May be you are a professor(I know lot of communist professors teaching here)

  • @Santosh - of course! that is an extremely important issue :P

  • Those who don’t agree with my comments are either communists or Nastiks.

    Since we are in a mood for passing judgements, I think you're just insecure.

  • And I really don't give a frak if YOU consider me a Nastik for my views; My God and I know better and We're happy :) Can you say the same?

  • 1. That's a good one - but completely irrelevant here. It was more about land acquisition than religion.
    2. Because they have migrated to India - whether under duress or by choice. And such is the nature of a fair democracy.
    3. Consider this - Isn't your question, really "What existing Holy Place can Hindus destroy before they build a temple on top of it?"? This is one of the issues that really irked (and embarrassed) me when I was in India - educated, purportedly intelligent youth, the hope & future of a nation, were riled into a frenzy by a bunch of selfish, political aspirants (goons) and were willing to DESTROY a Holy Place. Without delving into the historical significance or sequence of destructions/constructions of anything at that site, why on God's own Earth should educated people who should know better want to do such a thing in THIS (supposedly more enlightened) day and age, and build something on top of it? When something like that happens in Medieval times, we look back at it and laugh at how pointless it all was. Are we out of land in the rest of the country? Can a temple and mosque never co-exist in the same location? Why? Is this construction & destruction going to be an endles cycle? Has mankind not evolved at all?

    (BTW - these questions are rhetorical - answer them if you must, but *I* don't care for your answers. I also know that similar issues are being dealt with in other places like Jerusalem, that are holy to multiple religions. Maybe I'm naive in my wish that everyone, really, could co-exist peacefully. Maybe not.)

  • NRITechie

    I'm not an extremist. But cartoons like this make me an extremist. Those who don't agree with my comments are either communists or Nastiks.
    Ashoe..if you are worrying much about country just ask yourself below questions:
    1. Why half of Kashmir is with Pakistan?
    2. Why voting rights are given to illegal immigrants from Bangladesh and Pakistan?
    3. Why can't Hindus build temple in Ayodya? Where else we build Ram temple?? at Mecca or Vatican?

  • Grow up. Fight about bigger and more morally relevant issues.

    Can I still burn cybercafes? :-P

  • Sigh.. what fun I miss when I lurke in the sciencephere.
    I think the cartoon are tasteless but not offensive. They are just pictures. Grow up. Fight about bigger and more morally relevant issues.

  • Fair 'nuff. Apologies for being quick to judge,NRITechie :)

  • **edited**
    Guys,
    Lets not call him a Hindu extremist. To be fair to him, my parents would've been offended by those pictures also and they're by no measure Hindu extremists.

    NRITechie,
    You're not doing yourself any favors with comments like

    If those folks have some “guts” or “balls” let them create same cartoons of gods from other religion

  • Anantha - maybe Hindus will get a free trip to DisneyWorld too :)

  • NRITechie is a Hindu extremist in disguise :)

    Sorry, dude - immature attitudes like yours are what draggs our country down the sad, fanatical path these days. Grow up.

  • so everyone taking a ride on us.

    Are we a bus? Or are we THE Bus? Woohoo!

  • Ashoe,
    I agree.

    NRITechie,
    Perhaps these are the folks you want to talk to. However, if you do talk to them please tell them to stop vandalizing any more Internet cafes.

    Snehal,
    Thank you and you're welcome.

  • Santosh, Hilarious post. You probably captured the spirit of this thing (more tragic farce than tragedy) than I did in my post.

    Great writing. Thanks for the link.

    -snehal

  • NRITechie

    Whoever created these should and must goto bottom of the hell. If those folks have some "guts" or "balls" let them create same cartoons of gods from other religion. Hindus are silent and tolerate everything..Wake up Hindus..Wake up...so everyone taking a ride on us.
    Jai Hindusthan!

  • Stuff?
    What a bunch of maroons!

    More ignorant than intentionally offensive, though, IMO.

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